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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 12, 2006 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Apropos of nothing


Some take the bible
For what it's worth
When it says that the meek
Shall inherit the Earth
Well, I heard that some sheik
Has bought New Jersey last week
'N you suckers ain't gettin' nothin'

Is Hare Rama really wrong
If you wander around
With a napkin on
With a bell on a stick
An' your hair is all gone...
(The geek shall inherit nothin')

You say yer life's a bum deal
'N yer up against the wall...
Well, people, you ain't even got no
Deal at all
'Cause what they do
In Washington
They just takes care
of NUMBER ONE
An' NUMBER ONE ain't YOU
You ain't even NUMBER TWO

Those Jesus Freaks
Well, they're friendly but
The shit they believe
Has got their minds all shut
An' they don't even care
When the church takes a cut
Ain't it bleak when you got so much
nothin'
(So whaddya do)
Eat that pork
Eat that ham
Laugh till ya choke
On Billy Graham
Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham...
They're all a waste of time
'N it's yer ass that's on the line
(IT'S YER ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE)

Do what you wanna
Do what you will
Just don't mess up
Your neighbor's thrill
'N when you pay the bill
Kindly leave a little tip
And help the next poor sucker
On his one way trip...
SOME TAKE THE BIBLE...
(Aw gimme half a dozen for the hotel room)

RIP Frank.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 12, 2006 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

not to be rude but, "Keep your day job"

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Lot's of folks proclaiming to be Christian, born again... this or that. My take is that only God knows your heart.
The rest is hearsay-imho.
It's what you do in private with no one watching, or trying impress with ones "holiness" and tossing scripture about.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

As the song says: "Mr. Charlie told me so."
I wasn't sure I was going to chime in on this, but since you've broken the ice, I'll back you up. My personal faith is just that, personal. I know and respect that many others gladly wear their's on the outside and take pride in sharing their beliefs. Again, I respect that, but in some cases in can also intimidate those who don't agree because they feel that if they come out against another's pronouncement of faith they may be derided or labeled as "unfeeling", or lacking spiritual depth. In a forum such as this where we want to encourage all people to engage equally and without any trepidation, perhaps discussions of relegious faith may best be taken up elsewhere. Again, I am not making any judgments against anyone for what they believe in; faith in anything is sorely lacking in today's world, but I'm just commenting on it's place here. Feel free to disagree with me if you wish, I wouldn't have posted this if I wasn't ready for some point/counterpoint.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2006-12-12 20:33:05

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

As the one who knocked on the door. . .

I agree that it is personal. Bottom line for me is compassion. The golden rule (not he who has the gold, rules, but the other version) pretty much sums it up for me. The rest is all speculation and we'll all know soon enough.

. . . The worms crawl in, the worms crawl out,
The worms play pinochle on your snout . . .
.

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Poster: darkeyes Date: Dec 13, 2006 6:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

I am struggling with this post and having a hard time containing myself. I agree that this is not a "religious" forum however, if people are going to post things about God, the Bible, "Jerry Christ" (not), faith, or whatever your personal belief is, then be prepared to get some feedback. "If any man among you, got no sin upon your hand, then let him cast a stone at me for posting in the forum". Would love to answer, debate, discuss, converse, share, with anyone about what the Bible says, and the Lord Jesus Christ. "Once in a while you get shown the light (Jesus is the light of the world), in the strangest of places (this forum), if you look at it right. God bless you all.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 13, 2006 7:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Not at all to poke fun at anything or anyone, but this hit me as particularly insightful/funny. Lewis Black was commenting on the rejection of the Torah by Christians with the New Testament:
"We've got a better book with a better character, you're gonna love it!".
Many people forget that the "Old Testament" is a term that refers to all versions and translations of the Hebrew Bible.
Further, Black, who is Jewish, encourages Christians to ask Jews for help in interpreting the bible. “There are Jews who walk among you, and they will - I promise you
this - take time out of their very Jewy, Jewy day…
and interpret for you anything that you’re having
trouble understanding.”

OK, I'm done, I promise. I have put my stuff out there, but will not address this topic again, I swear.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 13, 2006 7:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

The light? God is Santa for adults.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Dec 13, 2006 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

"Once in a while you get shown the light (Jesus is the light of the world)
That is your interpetation of the song, your opinion of Jesus.
It seems to me, most every religion has it's followers that believe their version IS the correct one. To me, that is a very smug view-I'm right, you're wrong.
In YOUR opinion, Jesus is the light of the world-don't assume it's true-truth (ha!), it's just true to you & followers of Christianity. Might i add....imho

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Yeah, I see that as a real problem. I agreed with Weir when he said in 95 "F@#k the religious right". or as HUNTER put it
"That path is for your steps alone."
I just don't find much skill in that particular Zappa lyrics whether they were from Zappa or the Pope, now I have not heard the tune maybe it just kills,

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 12, 2006 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

One of my all time favorite Zappa songs. How about the better half? The song the "meek shall inherit nothing" goes into " dumb all over" here ya go. Take it away Frank!

Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near 'n far
Dumb all over,
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
'bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here

You can't run a race
Without no feet
'n pretty soon
There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(i mean it won't blow up
'n disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)

You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state

To arms! to arms!
Hooray! that's great

Two legs ain't bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey?)
The good book says:
("it gotta be that way!")
But their book says:
"revenge the crusades...
With whips 'n chains
'n hand grenades..."
Two arms? two arms?
Have another and another
Our god says:
"there ain't no other!"
Our god says
"it's all okay!"
Our god says
"this is the way!"

It says in the book:
"burn 'n destroy...
'n repent, 'n redeem
'n revenge, 'n deploy
'n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
'cause they don't go for what's in the book
'n that makes 'em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
("cause he can really take care of business!")

And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our god says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book you're using at the
Time...can't use theirs... it don't work
...it's all lies...gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following god's orders
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,"
So...
If we're dumb...
Then god is dumb...
(an' maybe even a little ugly on the side)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Agreed.

I just wonder if you shouldn't feel
less concern about the deep unreal
The very first word is : How do you do?
The last: go home, your mama's callin you

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Believe it if you need it. . .

BTW, are you aware that "Day Job" is the only song the boys dropped from rotation at the request of fans?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 12, 2006 9:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Here it is! My DREAM show!

Set I

Alabama Getaway
Far From Me
Mama Tried
Push Comes to Shove
Easy to Love You
Shoe Fits
Looks Like Rain
Heart of Me
Don’t Ease me In

Set II
Corrina
Samba in the Rain
Believe it or Not
Don’t Need Love
Drums/space
I will Take You Home
Gimme Some Lovin
Standing On the Moon
Not Fade Away

e) Black Muddy River

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Day Job>Easy Answers>I Will Take You Home>Day Job

Worst second set I ever saw.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

You forgot "Waive to the Wind". I am certain they played it that night.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Wave to the Wind was the entire first set.
Oh wait....Wave to the Wind>Broken Arrow>Wave to the Wind>Don't Ease. Thank God for Humboldt County Gooballs!

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

That is not an actual set!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Really? Man, I've got to lay of the jalapeno salads!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 12, 2006 8:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

what about Money Money?

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 12, 2006 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

hi chris,

you better tell frank zappa the same thing.

ian

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

I am pretty limited on Zappa. I did enjoy Billy was a Mountain

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 12, 2006 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

When i think of faith I think in terms of my own personal challenges not us vs. them .
This would be an example:

Mission in the Rain

I turn and walk away then I come 'round again
It looks as though tomorrow I'll do pretty much the same.

I must turn down your offer but I'd like to ask a break
You know I'm ready to give everything for anything I take.

Someone called my name you know I turned around to see
It was midnight in the Mission and the bells were not for me.

Come again, walking along in the Mission in the rain,
Come again, walking along in the Mission in the rain,

Ten years ago, I walked this street my dreams were riding tall
Tonight I would be thankful Lord, for any dream at all.

Some folks would be happy just to have one dream come true
But everything you gather is just more that you can lose.

Come again, walking along in the Mission in the rain,
Come again, walking along in the Mission in the rain,

All the things I planned to do I only did half way
Tomorrow will be Sunday born of rainy Saturday.

There's some satisfaction in the San Francisco rain
No matter what comes down the Mission always looks the same.

Come again, walking along in the Mission in the rain.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 12, 2006 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

I allways think of that tune as a song sbout scoring drugs. Probably not but that's exactly how it sounds to me. Used to have a girlfriend that lived in the Mission, song allways takes me back there.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 12, 2006 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

RIP Frank? I'm not familiar with this piece. At least the consensus is that it is being attributed to Zappa. Can someone actually confirm or deny? What is the original source? Is this an old Mothers song? While I got my share of enjoyment out of FZ just as much as the next guy, I won't lie and say I'm any kind of expert. If it is an old MOI song, my guess is it dates to the late 60's/early 70's when it was particularly typical of the radical left to point at the institution of religion and give it the finger. I agreee with cosmiccharlie ("only God knows your heart") and SomeDarkHollow ("faith in anything is sorely lacking these days"). My thoughts on that, SDH, include the confusion that I do have about what I, and probably you, see as faith and what others seem to feel is immutable truth. There are millions who call themselves Christians that use the name of Christ as little more than a tool to condemn others; there are millions who call themselves Muslims that invoke the name of Allah to destroy anyone else outside of their sect; and who knows how many others besides the Iranians believe Israel should be wiped off the map and would do so in the name of religion. My faith, vaguely defined though it might be, is largely rooted in the words of poets I have admired, such as Lennon ("all you need is love," "give peace a chance") and Hunter ("ain't no time to hate").

I do think slamming on Billy Graham is a mistake. First of all, he's an old man, let him be. Also, millions around the globe have been able to get closer to God because of him. And finally, someone who has spent so many decades so dedicated to so many positive causes, helping the hungry, the sick, and the impoverished, deserves admiration not criticism.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Dec 12, 2006 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Frank Zappa - The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing

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Poster: JodyC Date: Dec 12, 2006 3:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Zappa plays Zappa day after tomorrow. Psyched!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 12, 2006 4:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

With Terry B on the drums, you should be.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Dec 12, 2006 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Yeah- only got to see him once maybe around 84. Saw him with the same buddy I'm going with Thursday. He was into Zappa like we were into the Dead as far back as high school in the mid 70's.Talk about liking a band that others had a hard time listening too!

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Dec 13, 2006 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Frank Zappa + Whipping Post + Live = Transcendence

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 13, 2006 12:49pm
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The only Zappa show I ever saw included Whippin' Post.

To which I replied, "What the . . . ?"

It was the Tinseltown Rebellion tour. I don't know if he covered it in other shows. It was also the tour when he invited women in the audience to donate their panties. I say "the" tour. Hell, for all I know, he always did that.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Dec 13, 2006 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Yeah, he played that when I saw him too. Un-fugn- believable it was!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 12, 2006 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Apropos of nothing

Thanks.